设计与产品mtlynch.io
我后悔重新设计了自己的网站
I regret my website redesign
2022 — 2024,它一次次回到首页
黑点是上首页(≥ 50 分)的那次投稿,空心点是没冲上去的投稿,点越大分数越高。
导读
TinyPilot 创始人 Michael Lynch 复盘自己花约 1.5 万美元请外部设计公司做网站改版的经历:过程拖沓、方案反复,最终效果不如预期,他直言后悔。文章拆解了小型客户在代理商那里被当成"填档期项目"的处境,以及沟通、需求与交付期望上的错位。
为什么经久不衰:它把"重写/重设计冲动"和外包踩坑这两件几乎所有从业者都会遇到的事讲得具体可信,多年后仍是创业者的实用警示。
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重设计冲动和程序员想重写代码同源,都是因为"从零做"比"细调"有趣。
做大型编程项目时,你得拦住开发者说"这代码库技术债太多了,我们用 Rust、Kubernetes、Deno 整个重写,顺便换托管、换数据库、上微服务"。设计师完全一样:从零做新设计跟技术折腾一样好玩,而改 bug 和微调设计一样枯燥。我两边都干过多年,必须时刻盯着自己别在干扰项上空转。连教皇都得盯着米开朗基罗画西斯廷礼拜堂,别让他跑去雕自己的陵墓。
deltarholamda查看英文原文
You know how, during a big programming project, you have to keep the devs from going "this codebase has a lot of technical debt, let's rebuild the whole thing using Rust and Kubernetes and Deno and move the hosting to Azure and switch databases and use microservices and..."? Designers are exactly the same way. Just as technical fiddling is fun and interesting, making new designs from scratch is just as fun and interesting. And, just as fixing bugs is tedious and boring, tweaking designs is tedious and boring. I've been on both sides for a lot of years, and I have to keep a sharp eye on myself to keep from spinning my wheels on distractions. Even the Pope had to keep Michelangelo focused on the Sistine Chapel and not wander off to work on his tomb.
代理商并非恶意,只是小客户会被套用大项目流程,并在有新项目时被降级。
我刚从待了五年的精品代理商离职,很有共鸣。这类小单其实不是故意坑你:他们大概真想按报价交付,只是团队没按你的价位调整工作方式。为一个 1.5 万美元的项目做那么多 logo 变体和设计稿明显过头——那是 10 万美元客户的待遇,团队有空档就想多给几个选项,你享受了 10 万美元的服务,只是没打折。现实是这种小单对代理商基本是填档期用;一旦接到更好的活,小客户就变成"麻烦客户",人员被调走、新人接手还要重新理解上下文,全算在你账上。你的结论对:别去代理商那里当小鱼。
level查看英文原文
I recently left a boutique agency of 5 years and I can definitely resonate with this one. Our agency aimed to catch big fish, and we did, but since they are hard to land we'd pick up small jobs in the meantime, just like the project that you're describing here. In my perspective, this isn't someone deliberately ripping you off. I imagine they intended to ship at the cost they quoted, but the team didn't adjust their working style to match your price point. All the variations of the logo and design mocks are clearly overkill for a $15k project. The design team had time to fill and wanted to provide lots of options for you to pick from, as they typically would on a larger project. Those variations are an expectation for $100k clients, and you got the $100k customer treatment, but unfortunately not at a discount. The reality is, small jobs like this are effectively make-work projects for an agency. They typically don't pay enough to be an effective use of time for the agency, but are a way to stay in the black between higher value projects. Small customers become "nuisance" customers as soon as a something better is landed. The team members being swapped out as they are needed elsewhere and newly joining team members then need to re-contextualize and regain momentum, all on your dime. Your takeaway is correct, don't be a small fish for an agency. If they're busy they won't take your work, and if do show interest, they are desperate for work.
在陌生领域雇佣专业人士风险极高,市场缺少可信的评价与兜底机制。
作为小企业主我很有共鸣。我很想能放心花钱请专业人士把问题解决掉,但经验是:雇一个我自己不内行的"专家",有一半概率管用,另一半概率炸锅、制造更多问题。我最近找了一位口碑不错的事务所的新会计处理业务增长,初次会面很好,之后约定的工作一样没交付,邮件要两三周才回(多次如此,我得打电话到办公室约面谈才有回应),最后我的业务被排到很后面,报税拖到六月才提交。谁能做出一个像挑 Airbnb 那样有把握地挑选专业服务商的服务(不必百分百,但要合理,且服务与描述严重不符时有调解和兜底),我愿意比现在"问朋友推荐然后祈祷"的现状多付 20%。
qrohlf查看英文原文
As a small business owner myself, this resonates. I would love to be in a position to be able to confidently pay money to other professionals to make problems go away. Unfortunately, my overall experience has been that hiring any “expert” in a field that I am not also an expert in has a 50% chance of working, and a 50% chance of blowing up in my face and creating more problems. I recently attempted to get a new accountant to help me handle some business growth. It was a person from a well regarded local firm, initial meetings were good, and then they proceeded to deliver none of the agreed-upon work, take 2-3 weeks to respond to emails (multiple times, I had to call their office and schedule an in-person meeting just to get a response), and then de-prioritize my business relative to other clients so badly that I wasn’t able to submit my taxes until June. If anyone can successfully build a service that lets me reliably pick professional-services providers with the same level of confidence that I pick an AirBnb (not 100%, but pretty good, with an expectation for reasonable mediation and fallback coverage if the offering is radically different than what’s described), I would happily pay a 20% premium on those services versus the existing “ask friends for referrals and cross your fingers” status quo.
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