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这是 Bret Victor 为纪念道格·恩格尔巴特（Doug Engelbart）而写的文章，回应了《纽约时报》讣告只称他为“鼠标发明人”的浅薄解读。文章强调恩格尔巴特真正的遗产是“增强人类智力”的宏大愿景，并通过分析 1968 年“所有演示之母”中协作共享文档的场景，指出今天的屏幕共享等技术反而不如几十年前的演示。
为什么经久不衰：它提醒我们不要只记住恩格尔巴特的发明，而要追问他的目标——增强集体智慧，这一愿景在今天的技术生态中仍未实现，值得反复对照反思。
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现代屏幕共享反而不如恩格尔巴特几十年前的协作演示。
文中关于他们边对话边共享文档的那段话很有启发——那并不是我们今天所说的“屏幕共享”。现代屏幕共享在很多方面竟不如几十年前的演示，实在令人惊叹。我尝试用 CoderPad 重现一点那种早期的魔力（多光标、实时编辑执行代码），但可以想象当年那个演示该有多震撼。
akanet查看英文原文
I found that the quip about how the document that they are sharing while having a conversation is not screensharing as we commonly understand it in modern parlance to be pretty illuminating. That modern screensharing is in several ways worse than a demo that came out decades ago is frankly amazing. I've tried to recapture a bit of that early magic with https://coderpad.io/ (multiple cursors, realtime editing/execution of code), but I can only imagine how jaw dropping that demo must have been when it came out.
大众媒体简化恩格尔巴特为鼠标发明人虽不准确，但符合受众认知。
《纽约时报》的标题是“鼠标发明人逝世”，如果写成“人类智力增强者逝世”则传达了他的真正遗产。但对大众来说，鼠标、超文本这些“平凡”的副产品才是他们能领会的，讣告的写法有其受众考量。Bret 的文章则有充分空间向认同其价值观的读者展开阐释。
kaptain查看英文原文
I found this article by Bret enlightening. The expectation, though, that Engelbart's legacy could be communicated clearly by the New York Times in the obituary is too high. The headline reads like this: > Douglas C. Engelbart, Inventor of the Computer Mouse, Dies at 88 Imagine, then, if the headline read: > Douglas C. Engelbart, Augmenter of Human Intellect, Dies at 88 The former is much clearer and understandable, especially taking into consideration the audience of the New York Times. Bret's article has the luxury of expounding and explaining to an audience that is sympathetic to his values; I myself was ignorant of Englebart's contributions as well as his personal ideology when it came to this life mission, and so greatly appreciate Bret's writing. But, while the NYT article might seem untrue or ignorant to those who knew Engelbart and understood him, for most people, the appreciation for Engelbart comes out of the more 'mundane' things that were the side effects of his vision: the mouse, hypertext, etc. Most can appreciate the significance of these inventions, though the value of Engelbart's core works might escape them.
恩格尔巴特本人对后来的技术走向感到失望，今天的网络远非智力增强。
我有幸在多年前的超文本会议上见到恩格尔巴特，他非常友善温和。从他的主题演讲中，我能明显感到他对我们未能走得更远而失望和难过。他通过计算机增强人类智力的愿景大胆而充满希望，而我们如今面对的却是标题党、假新闻、喷子和精心设计让人上瘾的社交网站——这算不上什么增强。
bouvin查看英文原文
I was fortunate enough to meet Doug Engelbart at a Hypertext conference years ago, where he was a keynote speaker. Very friendly and soft spoken man. From the his keynote, I got the distinct impression that he was disappointed and a little saddened that we had not progressed further than we have. His vision of augmenting the human intellect through the use of computers was both bold and hopeful, but instead we are barraged by click-bait, fake news, trolls, and social networking sites carefully engineered to keep us hooked—not much of an augmentation.
恩格尔巴特的愿景建立在善意协作的假设上，而现实中的恶意行为是工程必须面对的。
工程中始终存在理想主义与现实主义之间的张力。恩格尔巴特做了简化假设：人们愿意协作、没有恶意、不想互相伤害。但这些假设都是错的，现代工程中很大一部分精力正是在直接或间接地应对这些不幸的现实，比如恶意软件问题。
javajosh查看英文原文
There is always this tension between idealism and realism within engineering. Victor descries the ignorance we show the idealism of Engelbart, and Englebart, in turn, expressed "sadness" at how little progress we've made. And yet, consider someone else Victor considers a hero, Seymour Papert, inventor of the Logo programming language. When we learned it on the Apple IIe, it was without connectivity to any other device, and usually with just the manual to guide us. Collaboration was happening, but on a much longer time-scale. It wasn't milliseconds, but rather months and years. It wasn't mediated by network packets, but by shrink-wrapped software boxes and expansion cards purchased at big-box retailers. A remarkable amount of progress happened on that slow, physical time-scale, but much of it was incompatible with shorter time-scales and global messaging. For example, Windows, having grown up in the slow time-scale, was hit hard by the fast time-scale, it's immune system non-existent. It's too easy to wave away the problems we really experienced (and experience) with malware. Englebart made simplifying assumptions that people wanted to collaborate, and were not malicious and did not want to harm each other. But these assumptions are all false, and a large, possibly majority proportion of modern engineering effort directly and indirectly addresses these unfortunate realities.
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