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Org-Mode 是最适合处理文本的标记语言之一
Org-Mode Is One of the Most Reasonable Markup Languages to Use for Text
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这篇文章主张 Org-mode 是一种非常合理的纯文本标记语言：语法简单、易读，适合组织文本，并试图说明即使不把 Emacs 当作编辑器，也可以使用 Org 标记来写作。文章将 Org-mode 与 Markdown 等标记语言做比较，讨论其作为通用文本格式的可行性。
为什么经久不衰：它触及了标记语言设计的核心张力——简单性、可读性与标准化、工具生态之间的权衡；Org-mode 在 Emacs 社区持续活跃，这类讨论至今仍有参考价值。
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指出 Org-mode 的预格式化文本语法不利于代码复制粘贴，建议改用块语法。
看起来不错。一个小问题：用冒号开头的预格式化文本（比如源代码）虽然保留换行，但其中的 *bold* 不会加粗。这让代码的复制粘贴很麻烦。更好的做法是用块语法，比如三个反引号包起来。
WalterBright查看英文原文
Looks pretty nice. One nit: : Simple pre-formatted text such as for source code. : This also respects the line breaks. *bold* is not bold here. This makes it annoying to cut/paste code in and out of the markup text. It's better to use a block syntax for that, like: ``` Simple pre-formatted text such as for source code. This also respects the line breaks. *bold* is not bold here. ```
反驳“工具都接受”的说法，指出 Org-mode 缺乏标准，非官方实现有差异，价值主要在 Emacs 编辑环境而非文件格式。
“任何解释 Org-mode 的工具都接受这种简单好记的语法”——这话不对。Org-mode 没有 Markdown 那样的标准化问题，只是因为不够流行。据我所知它没有标准，只有官方实现；所有非官方实现都有细微差异的 bug。没有真正的规范，大家就是在追逐实现细节，和 Markdown 的问题一样。我认为 Org-mode 只有在 Emacs 里编辑才有意义，其巨大价值在于编辑工具本身及其与 Emacs 其他工具的集成，而不在文件格式——格式相比 GFM 并没有真正优势。
throwawayknecht查看英文原文
> Any tool that interprets Org-mode accepts this simple and easy to remember syntax. Sorry but this just isn't true. org-mode doesn't have the standardization problems Markdown does only because it's not as popular. As far as I know org-mode also doesn't have a standard, just an official implementation. And all the unofficial implementations suffer from bugs where they do something a little differently (https://github.com/bjonnh/PyOrgMode/issues/39 , https://github.com/hsitz/VimOrganizer/issues/78 , plenty of others in every org-mode tool that doesn't just call Emacs). This isn't to malign any of the authors of these tools, but the reality is without an actual specification the problems are exactly the same as Markdown's - everyone is chasing subtle implementation details, not a clear goal. IMO, org-mode only makes sense in the context of editing within Emacs. The (enormous) value isn't in the file format, which doesn't really offer anything over GFM, but in the editing tool itself - which is difficult enough to realize inside of Emacs, let alone in any other editor - and its integration with other Emacs tools.
批评文章声称 Org-mode 脱离 Emacs 也有用，但实际工具支持只谈 Emacs，非 Emacs 环境下同样有兼容性问题。
文章标题说“Org-Mode 在 Emacs 之外也有意义”，然后只举了 pandoc 一个能解析 Org-Mode 的工具（而 pandoc 解析 Markdown 肯定多得多）。接着“Org-Mode 有出色的工具支持”一节，内容全在讲 Emacs 里的工具。抱歉，这个小标题让人以为要谈各种工具，结果只谈 Emacs。最后作者说“本文想指出即使不用 Emacs 写作，Org-mode 也有用”——请问文章哪里做到了？如果你不用 Emacs，在别的 IDE 装 Org-Mode 插件，就会遇到和冷门 Markdown 解析器一样的“部分实现/尚未支持”问题。这方面 Markdown 比 Org-Mode 标准化得多。
lucideer查看英文原文
> Org-Mode Makes Sense Outside of Emacs ... goes on to name one tool (pandoc) that parses Org-Mode (and also parses Markdown. I would in fact guess pandoc is used much more often for the latter than the former). > Org-Mode Has Excellent Tool Support > this is not an article about Emacs ... goes on to describe the "tool support" in Emacs. Sorry, but the paragraph title here really implies we're going to be talking about a range of tools, not just Emacs. And then to conclude: > With this blog article I wanted to point out the usefulness of Org-mode even when you are not using Emacs as an writing tool. Can anyone point me to where exactly in the article the author has done this? Org-Mode is great if you use Emacs. Try installing the Org-Mode addon in your non-Emacs IDE of choice, and you'll hit the same "partially implemented/not-yet-supported/etc." issues you would using an obscure markdown parser. In this regard, Markdown is much more "standardised" than Org-Mode—a standard exists for both, but the level of adherance to that standard in terms of the total number of parsers out there is undoubtedly higher for Markdown.
分享用 ox-hugo 以 Org-mode 写博客的实践，展示 Org Babel 等优势，并说明不用 Emacs 编辑器也能写 Org 标记、靠批处理调用 Emacs 获得完整功能。
自荐一下：我刚发布了 ox-hugo 包。我喜欢 Hugo 博客框架，但不想手动处理文章 front matter，也注意到只用 Markdown 写作的不足，还怀念 Org-mode 的树状文本组织。于是有了这个包。用 Org-mode 写文章能获得全部 Org 标记能力（已超过 Markdown），还有 Org Babel、属性继承等。例如我写的一篇代码块很多的文章，在 Org 源文件里每个 #+RESULTS 块都是 Org Babel 自动生成的，用 Markdown 手动粘贴代码和结果会非常痛苦。即使不用 Emacs 当编辑器，Org 标记也足够简单，任何人可以用喜欢的编辑器写；再加个 Makefile，就能以批处理模式运行 Emacs，利用 Org Babel 等真正的 Org 功能。
kaushalmodi查看英文原文
Shameless plug: https://ox-hugo.netlify.com I just announced the ox-hugo package. I love the blogging framework of Hugo, but disliked that I needed to manually take care of the post front matter and also noticed the shortcomings of writing in just Markdown. I also missed the tree-based text organization of Org mode. So this package was born. Writing posts in Org mode gives you all the Org markup power (that's already more than Markdown), plus a lot more! like Org Babel, property inheritance, etc. An example: I wrote this post ( https://scripter.co/notes/string-functions-nim-vs-python/ ) that's heavy with code blocks and results of evaluating those code blocks. It would be super-painful in Markdown to paste all the code blocks and also their results. In the Org source: https://gitlab.com/kaushalmodi/kaushalmodi.gitlab.io/raw/master/content-org/notes/string-fns-nim-vs-python.org, each of the #+RESULTS blocks in that Org source are auto generated using the Org Babel feature. I elaborate more on why I use ox-hugo, or why I use Org for blogging in native Emacs environment here: https://ox-hugo.netlify.com/doc/why-ox-hugo/ Even if one is not using Emacs as their editor, as the OP mentions, the Org markup is simple enough that anyone can use their favorite editor to write in Org. To add to that, using a little Makefile, they can run Emacs in batch mode to take advantage of true Org mode features like Org Babel, etc. For instance, one can clone the ox-hugo repo, https://github.com/kaushalmodi/ox-hugo/, and just run "make test" or "make doc" to let ox-hugo do its thing, without having anyone to know what to do after opening Emacs, what command to run, etc. "make doc" will generate all the Markdown content needed for the entire documentation website that I linked in the very beginning of this comment, all from a single Org file.. You cannot do that in Markdown.
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