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呃，你用 PHP？
Ewww, You Use PHP?
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这是 MailChimp 博客的一篇文章，以自嘲口吻回应“你们居然用 PHP”的质疑，讨论公司使用 PHP 的背景、招聘优秀开发者的困难，以及语言和框架选择背后的工程文化。文末更新显示，四年后 MailChimp 规模大幅增长，但仍然使用 PHP。
为什么经久不衰：它把技术鄙视链、招聘现实和务实选型放在一起，而 MailChimp 多年后仍坚持 PHP 并给出规模数据，使这场争论有了经得起时间检验的案例。
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招聘合格 PHP 开发者很难，社区文化和工程实践比语言本身更关键。
作为亚特兰大另一家想招优秀 PHP 开发者的创业公司，我完全理解 MailChimp。我找了好几个月本地有 TDD 或现代敏捷实践经验的 PHP 开发者，极其困难。良好的工程文化在 Ruby/Python 社区更普遍，但随着这些语言主流化，平均开发者质量也下降得很快；语言选择从技术角度没那么重要，从实践和社区角度才重要。
apinstein查看英文原文
As another startup in Atlanta trying to hire good PHP developers, I can sympathize entirely with MailChimp on this one. I have been searching for months for local PHP developers with experience doing TDD or other agile/modern practices and it is extremely difficult. If you are one, please feel free to contact me. I think good TDD/agile/architecture cultures are more prevalent in ruby/python but as those languages have become more mainstream the quality of the average dev in those environments has dropped quickly. A few years ago only really good devs ventured into ruby stuff. Now everyone is trying it as the tools have made the language much more accessible for the average developer. I am seeing more and more programming mistakes in the ruby code I dive into than I used to. Language choice doesn't matter too much from a technical perspective. It matters from a practical perspective. Consider the jQuery/prototypejs war. Prototypejs was technically superior for a long time, yet due to jQuery's more accessible plugin culture and prettier web site they were over time able to build a more robust community and took the mindshare lead in the js space. I still think one of the core reasons ruby/rails and python/django got big is that for a long time there was only one major framework available for the language and this caused a better community than the php landscape, which pre-dated frameworks by a long time (this happened to perl as well). So there wasn't "one true way" in php to build apps quickly, and this hurt the php community when rails got big. I think as a community we lost a lot of talent to ruby/rails in the last few years. Bottom line is that accessibility, pervasiveness and low-learning-curve are critical to the initial and continued success of any platform, whether it's a language (ruby > php > perl), OS (ios > android > rim), etc. Language advances in PHP (circular gc, traits, closures, etc) have brought php's language capabilities forward enough that it's a respectable platform for sticking with. However, you can't fix the community really since it's so fragmented. Fortunately some frameworks are getting enough traction to have rich ecosystems, and that's definitely a great thing for the language and the community.
批评 PHP 主流应用代码混乱、缺乏架构和测试。
我对 PHP 的主要不满是，部署最广的 PHP 应用往往是我见过最难管理、最混乱的代码，比如 WordPress 和 vBulletin。它们几乎无视 MVC 这类适合网站开发的模式，测试更无从谈起。我知道 PHP 可以写得更好，但我接触到的应用常像一团乱麻；能选时我会用 Rails 和 Sinatra。
tibbon查看英文原文
My main beef with PHP is that the most deployed applications that use it are some of the most difficult to manage and messy pieces of code that I've ever seen. I'm talking about Wordpress and vBulletin. While MVC isn't the only valid design pattern, some varient of it is rather nice when working with websites and these two seem to ignore it through and through. Testing? What's that? I know that better can be written in PHP, but for apps that I've had to deal with, PHP normally looks like an overpowered scripting language that's just a mess. I'll stay with Rails and Sinatra when I can.
实际尝试 Node 后因异步复杂回到同步 PHP，认为 PHP 有缺点但务实好用。
我公司产品后端是 PHP。我重写时先试了 Node.js，因为能共享客户端/服务端代码，而且很时髦。但几周后 Node 的异步特性让我头快炸了，我放弃并回到 PHP，因为代码可以逐行同步执行，不需要各种 hack。PHP 作为语言有缺陷，但进步很大，也不该承受所有仇恨；很多批评源于它易学、允许自由发挥，早期导致新手写出不安全代码，比如 register_globals。总之它简单、强大、能把事做完。
ubuntuftw查看英文原文
My company's product backend is written in PHP. I'm currently rewriting it, and when I started the process, I tried doing it in Node.js because 1) the possibility of client/server code sharing and 2) that's what all the cool kids were doing. That lasted all of a few weeks before the async nature of Node made my head nearly explode. I scraped that and went back to PHP where you can depend on code being executed line-by-line, synchronously, without hacks. As a language, PHP definitely has some warts. But, it's come a long way, and it keeps getting better all the time. Personally, I don't think it deserves all the hate it gets. Some criticism is warranted, but definitely not all of it. I think a lot of it stems from the fact that the language is so easy to learn and lets you do things your own way, which (at least in the early days) led to a lot of newbies writing insecure code. See: register_globals (since removed). That all said, I love PHP. It's simple, yet powerful. It grows with you, and most importantly, it gets the job done.
MailChimp 规模增长后仍坚持 PHP，用数据回应质疑。
更新（12/9/14）：这篇文章写于四年前，我们已经成长很多。目前 700 万用户每天发送 4 亿封邮件，每月略超 120 亿封。是的，我们仍然使用 PHP。
yarapavan查看英文原文
* Update (12/9/14): We’ve grown a lot since this post was written 4 years ago. Currently, our 7 million users send 400 million emails every day, which works out to just north of 12 billion emails a month. And yes, we still use PHP.
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