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看一位 VC 如何用我的名字行骗
Watch a VC use my name to sell a con
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jwz（Jamie Zawinski）撰文控诉风险投资人 Michael Arrington 在宣扬创业公司超长工作制的演讲中，引用他早年记录 Netscape 工作经历的日记来为“疯狂加班”辩护，称这是用他的名字兜售骗局。文章引发关于创业公司加班文化、创始人被投资人压榨的广泛争论。
为什么经久不衰：它触及创业圈经久不衰的“加班崇拜”之争：用亲历者之口戳破“靠超时工作成功”的叙事，至今仍是关于工作与生活平衡的经典讨论素材。
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从生理和生产力角度论证长期加班既不健康也不高效
人类天生不适合：1) 长时间一动不动地坐着，这会毁掉健康；2) 在创造性工作（写代码算）中每天持续输出超过 4-5 小时的高质量成果。创业公司在关键几周拼命干没问题，但把加班当成常态就很愚蠢。何况创业致富概率很低，不如在努力工作的同时享受生活。讽刺的是，过度压榨员工并不会给 VC 带来更高回报，但世上没有比愚蠢的老板更常见的东西了。
antirez查看英文原文
Humans are not designed to: 1) Stay long hours sitted, immobile. It ruins your health. 2) To provide a steady high quality output in creative disciplines (writing code qualifies) for more than a 4/5 hours a day (add to this the time to do breaks, install your updates, check news sites, fix the email client, and you'll reach the 7/8 hours per day figure). It makes sense in a startup to work hard in crucial weeks, you can sustain that for a few days both from the point of view of your body and your productivity, but making this the rule is just plain silly. Also, remember that a startup has a small percentage of probabilities of making you rich, so better for you to also enjoy life while working at a startup. Try hard in your working hours (but it is more a matter of doing the right things than the wrong things for a lot of hours), but enjoy life when it's 6 pm. What's silly is that also VCs are likely to don't really get more return from you by overworking you, but there is nothing than humanity has seen more often than a silly boss that feels more comfortable if you are overworking yourself.
Arrington 已从媒体人变为利益相关的投资人，其言论不值得敬畏
希望这标志着人们不再对 Arrington 小心翼翼。他不再是“新闻人”，不再能左右每个登上 AOLCrunch 的创业公司的命运，他只是一个想要项目来源的投资人——而且事实证明他大概不是你想共事或合作的人，也永远不会站在别人一边。赞 jwz 敢于点名批评。
tom查看英文原文
I hope this signals the end of folks walking on egg shells around Arrington. He's no longer a "newsman". He's no longer going to make or break every startup that ends up on AOLCrunch. He's just an investor hoping for deal flow. An investor who's proven he's probably not the guy you'd want to work with, probably not the guy you'd want to partner with, probably not the guy who will ever be on anyone's side but his own. Kudos to Zawinski for calling him out.
为 Arrington 辩护：这是观点之争，不应上升为“骗局”和人身攻击
“努力工作就能成功”是自 Horatio Alger 以来深刻的美国主题，并非 VC 密谋欺骗创始人的产物。Arrington 的观点是他个人的哲学和社会评论，可以不同意，但说这是骗局并不公平；引用公开的日记来佐证观点也不该招致人身攻击。
grellas查看英文原文
"Those who work hard make good" is a profoundly American theme that dates back to Horatio Alger and before - it can hardly be said to originate from a cabal of VCs trying to "put one over" on hapless founders and startup employees in Silicon Valley. No doubt Mr. Arrington adds his peculiarly abrasive touch to the debate (toughen up, don't whine, and let's applaud Zynga for what it did to its employees), but he did something very similar not too long ago in chiding investors who were whining about being in the "middle of a terrible blubble" (http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/24/were-in-the-middle-of-a-terrible-blubble/). Like it or not, this is his philosophy and outlook about what it takes to play the startup game. It is his expression of ideas and social commentary. One can disagree with it as much as one likes but it is unfair to say that this is nothing more than a con job. It is also unfair to take him to task for quoting from a publicly available source to support his idea of what the experiences of startup employees have been like in Silicon Valley - if the goal is to illustrate such experiences, then what better source to use than a diary whose purpose was precisely to document them. If the author of that diary wants to say, "no, that's not what I meant" in response, that is fine but that doesn't justify an ad hominem attack on the person using it to illustrate ideas he wants to espouse. My point here is strictly about fair argumentation, not about the merits of the debate. Whether right or wrong on the merits, I think the author takes an unfair shot in the way he makes his points here. We all have ideas and core beliefs, even those who are VCs. We all should be free to express them without being accused of nefarious motives.
长工时是热爱与痴迷的结果而非成功的原因，别混淆相关性
很多成功的人热爱自己的工作，所以“疯狂”工作。外人观察到这一点，误以为他们成功是因为工时长，实际上他们成功是因为痴迷于把事情做成。结论应该是“做你热爱的事”，而不是“工作长时间”。
pud查看英文原文
Many successful people love what they do. So they work "insane" hours. For better or worse, these people choose "work" (in quotes because it doesn't feel like work) over watching TV, taking vacations, and spending time with friends. When outsiders observe people like this, outsiders come to the conclusion that said people are successful because of the long hours. When in fact, they're successful because they're obsessed with making it successful. In other words, the takeaway should be "do something you love," rather than "work long hours." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
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