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ActivityPub:联邦化社交网络标准
ActivityPub: a federated social web standard
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这是 W3C 的 ActivityPub 规范页面,定义了一套去中心化社交网络协议:不同服务器上的用户可以通过它互相关注、发布内容并接收互动。它是 Mastodon 等 Fediverse 应用实现互联的基础标准。
为什么经久不衰:它把联邦社交从理念落成可实现的开放标准,随着 Mastodon 等兴起反复被讨论,今天仍是理解去中心化社交生态的关键入口。
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标准由 Fediverse 社区主导,难获主流平台采纳;并类比 OpenSocial 的失败。
这个标准很棒,设计得也很好。最大的问题是它主要由 Mastodon/Pump.io/Mediagoblin 周围的人主导。这本身不是坏事(相反,它显示了对自由互联网的承诺),但这意味着它几乎没有机会渗透到主流社交网络场景(Facebook、LinkedIn、Twitter、VK 等)。你们有没有尝试联系这些主要社交网站,提出在标准上合作?附言:我理解 ActivityPub 是对集中式社交网络的彻底转变,但记得 Facebook、Google 和 IBM 之前曾合作开发开放 widget 及相关功能,直到这些努力瓦解:https://github.com/OpenSocial/spec
smarx007查看英文原文
The standard is awesome and looks well-designed. The biggest issue is that it was lead solely by the people around Mastodon/Pump.io/Mediagoblin. While not a bad thing per se (on the contrary, it shows a commitment to a free internet), it means that there is little chance for it to penetrate the general (social) networking scene (Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, VK etc.). Did you try reaching out to each of those major social networking websites to offer collaboration on this standard? P.S. I understand that ActivityPub represents a radical shift from the centralised social networking, but if I remember correctly Facebook, Google and IBM previously collaborated on open widgets and related functionality until the efforts fell apart: https://github.com/OpenSocial/spec
批评规范对垃圾信息和骚扰防治只有零星提及,认为事后补救很难成功。
规范里有一小段说服务器应该以某种方式处理垃圾信息。唉。我们能不能先构建一个联邦式的反垃圾/反骚扰系统?我几乎不指望一个一开始就没设计来减少/阻止骚扰的规范,能后来成功地把这些补上。
windlep查看英文原文
Small section about how Spam should be handled somehow by a server. Sigh. How about we build a federated spam/harassment prevention system first? I have little hope that a spec not designed to reduce/stop harassment up front can have it bolted on later successfully.
去中心化下 DELETE 无法真正删除已传播内容,建议改名为 DISOWN 以免误导。
那么,关于那个联邦式 DELETE 操作。在去中心化网络中,我们无法单方面删除一条共享内容;这正是去中心化的主要特征之一。在我看来,即使提供这个动词也颇有点欺骗性;它暗示进入网络的内容有可能被清除,而这会影响人们使用网络的方式。也许 DISOWN 会是更准确的动词,尤其是如果它只被原始所有者接受的话。
devrandomguy查看英文原文
So, about that federated DELETE operation. In a decentralized network, we can't unilaterally delete a shared piece of content; that is one of the main features of decentralization. Even providing that verb seems kind of deceptive to me; it implies that content that enters the network, could conceivably be purged, which will affect how people use the network. Perhaps DISOWN would be a more accurate verb, especially if it would only be accepted from the original owner.
询问个人博客接入 ActivityPub 的实践,期待博客内容与 Mastodon 互通。
有没有人有把它整合进博客/个人网站的经验?https://writefreely.org/ 和 https://microblog.pub/ 是我想到的两个例子,但我想知道是否还有其他选项,和/或有没有办法在不规定博客实现方式的情况下加上这个功能。我喜欢这个想法:我的博客可以有 Mastodon 帖子,我的帖子就是 Mastodon 帖子,回复就是评论,等等。但我在现实世界里还没见过太多这样的做法。
Brendinooo查看英文原文
Does anyone have experience working this into their blog/personal site? https://writefreely.org/ and https://microblog.pub/ are two examples of what I'm thinking of, but I'm wondering if there are other options and/or ways to bolt the functionality on without being opinionated about your blog's implementation. I love the idea that my blog could have Mastodon posts, that my posts are Mastodon posts, that replies are comments, etc. But I haven't seen too much of this done in the real world.
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