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邓宁-克鲁格效应是什么,不是什么(2010)
What the Dunning-Kruger effect is and isn’t (2010)
2010 — 2020,它一次次回到首页
黑点是上首页(≥ 50 分)的那次投稿,空心点是没冲上去的投稿,点越大分数越高。
导读
这篇博客梳理邓宁-克鲁格效应到底是什么、又不是什么,澄清人们对“能力低者高估自己”这一现象的常见误读,并讨论自我评估与实际表现之间的关系及其测量局限。文章强调该效应常被简化传播,理解它的统计与认知含义需要更谨慎。
为什么经久不衰:它触及自我认知、能力评价和认知偏差这些永恒话题,又能纠正一个被广泛误传的心理学概念,所以多年后仍值得读。
HN 评论精选
DKE 可能是自我评估曲线、实际能力曲线和任务难度共同造成的统计假象。
对我来说真正有启发的是,DKE 其实只是画两条线:感知能力和实际能力。如果人们判断完全准确,两条线会重合。但人们倾向高估自己,所以感知能力线上移,导致右侧交叉,看起来表现最好的人最准确,从而解释了 DKE。可任务越难,感知能力线越下移;任务足够难时,最差表现者反而最准确,出现相反模式。所以 DKE 其实是一种统计假象。
JamesBarney查看英文原文
What was really enlightening for me was that DKE is really just plotting two lines, perceived ability and actual ability. Now if people were perfectly accurate those lines would be drawn on top of each other. But because either people underestimate their differences or correctly guess their true ability which the test doesn't full capture. Let's make the perceived ability line flatter. People tend to overestimate their own ability, so we should move the perceived ability line up which leads to an intersection on the right. Causing us to find that the best performers are the most accurate, explaining DKE. But the harder we make a task the more we push that perceived ability line down. And if we make a task sufficiently hard then the worst performers are the most accurate judge of their own ability showing the opposite of DKE, due to the intersection being pushed left. So really DKE is an artifact.
低能力者缺乏识别自身无知的元认知,而真正名不副实的人确实存在。
我对 DKE 的理解是,低水平的人(还)不知道自己不知道什么。讨论冒名顶替综合征时经常被跳过的一点是,名不副实的人确实存在——这也是招聘时要面试的部分原因。
baron816查看英文原文
The way I interpret DKE is that low level people don’t (yet) know what they don’t know. One thing that I think often gets skipped over in discussions on Imposter Syndrome is that imposters DO exist (that’s kind of why we use interviews when hiring people).
了解 DKE 能帮助学习者警惕初学阶段的虚假自信,主动探索知识边界。
一个很少被讨论的应用是它对个人学习很有用。知道这个效应存在,在学习全新主题时很有帮助:你知道自己需要经历第一个峰值,才能大致弄清要学的东西范围,这有助于避免早期的虚假自信。我印象最深的例子是高中初学微积分:有一阵我觉得“好了,数学我都懂了”,然后撞上第一个峰,突然意识到“哇,我知道的只是沧海一粟”。后来了解到 DKE,觉得很共鸣。
gregmac查看英文原文
One application I don't see discussed much is how this is useful for personal learning. Knowing the effect exists is useful when learning about a totally new topic: you know you need to hit that first peak, so to speak, to figure out (roughly) the scope of what there is to know. This helps avoid actually having that false confidence early on. One of the most memorable examples of this for me was early on doing calculus in high school. There was a time where I was like "ok, yeah, I understand all the maths stuff now," then I hit that first peak and suddenly realized "oh wow, I know only a tiny, tiny fraction of what there is to know!" When I later learned about Dunning-Kruger it resonated because it described what I had experienced years earlier and had being thinking about since.
轶事虽不严谨,但仍是有价值的信息线索,不能简单否定。
整体像篇好文章。我只有一个疑问:文中说“轶事的复数不是数据”。啊,但它是。它虽然有偏、难分析、充满风险……但仍是相关信息。虽然轶事很少能定论,却常能告诉你下一步该看哪里。这类似相关与因果:相关不意味着因果,但确实让因果更可能。
loup-vaillant查看英文原文
Looks like a good article overall. I have just one qualm: > The plural of anecdote is not data. Ah, but it is. It's biased, hard to analyse, fraught with many perils… but it is still relevant information. Even though anecdotes are rarely conclusive, They can often tell you where you should look next. This is similar to the correlation/causation thing. Sure, correlation doesn't imply causation. But it sure makes it much more probable.
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