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北美地区方言与口音指南
North American Regional Dialects and Accents (2016)
2010 — 2017,它一次次回到首页
黑点是上首页(≥ 50 分)的那次投稿,空心点是没冲上去的投稿,点越大分数越高。
导读
这是一个关于北美(主要是美国)地区方言和口音的网页,用地图、例词和音频/视频材料展示各地发音与用词差异。页面按地区整理了大量口音样本和说明,也涉及南方英语、AAVE 等话题;不过评论者指出它实际覆盖以白人方言为主,且美国以外的北美范围有限。
为什么经久不衰:它把零散的口音差异做成可查的地图,例子具体,又因种族与覆盖范围的争议而持续有讨论价值。
HN 评论精选
补充 pin/pen 合并、soda/pop/coke 用词和 tuple 发音等方言例子。
Reddit 让我注意到两个具体例子:“pin”和“pen”同音,以及“soda”/“pop”/“coke”的用词差异;我见过的例子大多集中在南方带状地区。作为更偏 HN 的问卷,我想知道“tuple”有没有清晰的地区边界:我听过“too-pull”(有点像“pupil”)和“tuppel”(像“couple”),不确定是东西海岸、英美(剑桥/牛津 vs MIT/斯坦福)还是只是先听到谁的说法。
jasode查看英文原文
Reddit[1] made me aware of 2 specific examples: "pin" == "pen" : http://allthingslinguistic.com/post/81929757765/cather-wren-catherine-fangirl-and-the-pinpen "soda" vs "pop" vs "coke": http://popvssoda.com/ All the examples I've seen overlap closely with the Southern belt of states. For a more HN-flavored survey, I wonder if there's a clear regional boundary for "tuple". I've heard it pronounced "too-pull" (sorta like "pupil") and "tuppel" (like "couple"). Don't know if that's an East vs West coast thing or a Cambridge/Oxford/England vs MIT/Stanford/USA thing. Maybe it's just random based on who you heard it from first. (But let us stay away from discussing "gif". There are standards of civility here.) [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/14y6tc/til_most_southern_us_english_speakers_make_no/
加州英语用“the 5”指公路,成为俄勒冈识别加州移民的标记。
我最喜欢加州人在说编号公路时用定冠词,比如“I took the 5”。在俄勒冈,人们普遍(而且我觉得不公平地)不待见搬来的加州人,这种定冠词用法就是本地人留意的“口音标记”。
pklausler查看英文原文
My favorite is the Californian use of the definite article when identifying numbered roadways, e.g. "I took the 5.". Here in Oregon, a general (and I must say unfair) disapproval of transplanted Californians exists, and that use of the definite article is a "tell" that the natives have learned to look for.
阿拉斯加 Mat-Su 与明尼苏达口音有历史迁徙联系,“中北部”口音也常被误认成加拿大口音。
我想知道地图有没有记录阿拉斯加 Mat-Su 谷与明尼苏达的联系。2008 年有人问我,为什么我这个明尼苏达人说话像 Sarah Palin;后来看到一篇文章解释说,1930 年代美国政府作为救济项目把一批明尼苏达人迁到了阿拉斯加。顺便说,我做口音测试得了 93% 的“中北部”口音,也就是语言学家说的明尼苏达口音;外地人常把我误认成加拿大人。
aaronbrethorst查看英文原文
I was wondering if the map would capture the Alaska Mat-Su Valley/Minnesota connection. Back in Fall 2008, people started asking me why I, being from Minnesota, talked like Sarah Palin, doncha know. I was amused to discover an article that October which explained that the US Government had relocated a bunch of Minnesotans to Alaska in the 1930s[1] as part of a government relief program, eh. edit: regarding that American accent quiz elsewhere in the thread[2], I score a 93% 'north central' accent: "North Central" is what professional linguists call the Minnesota accent. If you saw "Fargo" you probably didn't think the characters sounded very out of the ordinary. Outsiders probably mistake you for a Canadian a lot. [1] http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2008/10/what_kind_of_accent_does_sarah_palin_have.html [2] http://lewrockwell.com/spl3/american-accent-quiz.html
批评页面实为“美国白人方言地图”,忽视黑人/非白人语言并窄化“美国”范围。
更准确地说,这应该叫“美国白人方言地图”。我把密西西比州的视频都点开看了,这个州有 37% 黑人,却没有一个视频出现黑人;页面似乎完全没有承认美国存在非白人、且他们说不同于白人的语言。只做白人口音地图算不算种族主义我不知道,但把它叫作美国方言地图肯定是种族主义的。另外,地图似乎只覆盖美国;美洲从北极延伸到合恩角。补充:后来注意到“古典南方英语与 AAVE”一节,作者基本把黑人语言写成“源自南方英语”,这是回避问题;而且“非裔美国人”也远不能涵盖美国范围广泛的非白人群体,很多黑人并非来自非洲,很多有色人种也不是黑人。
erikpukinskis查看英文原文
This would more accurately be called "White United States Dialect Map". I clicked through all of the videos from Mississippi, a state which is 37% black, and there is not a single video featuring a black person. From what I can tell there is no acknowledgement whatsoever of the fact that non-white people exist in America and speak distinct languages from white people. I don't know if it's racist to make a map exclusively of white people's accents, but it's definitely racist to call it an American Dialect Map. Also, the map seems only to cover the United States. America extends up to the Arctic and down to Cape Horn. Edit: Just noticed the section "Classical Southern and African American Vernacular English". The author basically writes off Black language as "derived from Southern English", which is a cop out. And "African American" doesn't begin to cover the wide range of non-white people in the U.S. Many black people are not from Africa, and many people of color are not black.
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