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开源一个项目后，我被嘲笑是什么体验
What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project
2013 — 2022，它一次次回到首页
黑点是上首页（≥ 50 分）的那次投稿，空心点是没冲上去的投稿，点越大分数越高。
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2013 年，开发者 Heather Arthur 开源了一个命令行文本替换工具 replace，却在 Twitter 上遭到包括 Steve Klabnik 在内的知名开发者公开嘲讽，她在这篇文章里讲述了被当众羞辱的感受。2022 年此文重上 HN 首页，讨论焦点转向了“网络言论永久存档”——当年的嘲讽者被翻出旧账、在首页被公开点名。
为什么经久不衰：它同时见证了开源社区的排挤文化和互联网“永不遗忘”的双刃剑，对今天任何在公开场合发言的人仍是警示。
HN 评论精选
引用并抨击 Steve Klabnik 的嘲讽推文：没人请他评价，他却借机居高临下地羞辱作者。
> Steve Klabnik：代码本身没什么问题，但我不想把自己的应用构建在这种理解水平的人写的代码之上。这条推文尤其令人恶心。有人写了个脚本来满足自己的需求，并把它放到 GitHub 上以防别人用得上？结果却有人借机居高临下地侮辱她的智力水平。他说不想把自己的应用构建在 harthur 的代码之上是什么意思？根本没人请他这么做；是 steveklabnik 自己发的原帖，借机炫耀那股傲慢的优越感。
mintplant查看英文原文
> Steve Klabnik @steveklabnik > @harthvader @zeeg nothing's _wrong_ with it, but I don't want to build my app on top of others' code who are at this level of understanding This message [1] in particular is absolutely disgusting. Someone hacked together a script that met their needs, and threw it up onto GitHub in case anyone else found it useful? Yes, let's take the opportunity to condescendingly insult their mental competency. What does he even mean by saying that he doesn't "want to build my app" on top of harthur's code? Nobody asked him to; steveklabnik himself made the original post, taking the opportunity to show off this smug sense of superiority. [1] https://twitter.com/harthvader/status/293829635823792128
有名望的和善者发表负面言论时，影响和责任都远大于普通人。
看到这些人的粉丝数，我更想哭了，不禁想到潜在的雇主可能因此不再是潜在雇主。受人喜爱和与人为善伴随着重大责任：当一个有好名声、又有传播渠道的人说别人坏话时，其影响远大于那些一贯粗鲁或无名之辈。如果实验室里最受喜爱、最和善的人以同样方式批评我，我会担心其他所有人现在怎么看我。这些人做了好事、有影响力，搜一下 steveklabnik 在 HN 的评论也并不刻薄。这有点悖论：当你真的很和善时，标准就不一样了，影响确实不同。
kevinalexbrown查看英文原文
Then I see these people’s follower count, and I sob harder. I can’t help but think of potential future employers that are no longer potential. There's a big responsibility that comes with being well-liked and nice. When someone with a good reputation and the means to broadcast it speaks negatively about someone, it matters much more than someone who is routinely rude, frequently negative, or unknown. I know that if the most well-liked and nice person in my lab were to criticize my ability as a scientist (in the same manner), I would worry about what everyone else thought about me now, that someone who never seems to say mean things would so something like that. These individuals do good things: they contribute voluntarily to communities, they help high school kids learn to code, etc. And these individuals are visible. And if you search steveklabnik on HN, his comments don't seem mean or negative. It's easy to forget, and it's a little paradoxical, but when you're really nice, there's a different standard. Perhaps there shouldn't be, but it does have a different impact.
社交媒体永久存档：十年前的刻薄评论被翻出点名，参与网络骂战对谁都没好处。
有些 subreddit 整个就是专门用来骂人的，我知道有针对程序员的（我自己也“荣幸”上过）。他们的批评也许是对的，但参与这类论坛是非常糟糕的主意。本文就是例证 A：三个人因为近十年前的刻薄评论，刚刚在 HN 首页被点名，我无法想象这对他们的职业有什么帮助，没人想和霸凌者共事。作者的 GitHub 仓库早已荒废，祝她一切顺利。社交媒体上的东西会永远留存，所以我坚决不参与网上口水战，尽可能保持积极和鼓励，即使招来嘲讽。“我的敌人死后，人们记住的只有我说过他们的坏话。”——Camille Paglia。[更新] 我查了一下，她现在过得不错，只是不太参与开源了；批评者们大概也还好。
ChrisMarshallNY查看英文原文
There’s entire subreddits that are dedicated to slagging people. I suspect that it goes for almost every vocation, but I’m aware of ones dedicated to programmers (having been honored, myself). Speaking only for myself, they may be absolutely correct, in their criticism (I know I’m a stuffy old coot, and use “quaint” techniques, like OOP), but I’d suggest that it’s a really bad idea to participate in these fora. This article is Exhibit A. Three people have just been called out, on the front page of HackerNews, for snarky comments they made, almost a decade ago. I can’t imagine that it’s helpful for their careers. No one wants to work with a bully. I think the author has long since moved on, as I see her GH repos have been basically abandoned, long ago, and I wish her well. That’s a big reason that I’m a stuffy old coot. Social media can last forever, so I make a point of not engaging in online pissing matches, and being as positive and encouraging as possible, even if it garners me scorn. "The only things that will be remembered about my enemies after they're dead is the nasty things I've said about them." -Camille Paglia [UPDATE] I was interested in what she has had to say, and found this: https://heathermoor.medium.com/what-happens-when-you-retire-from-github-979fb6b143b3 It appears that she's doing fine, but not really participating so much in open source. It looks like her detractors are probably also OK. Don't you just love happy endings?
网络对话永久存档，让十年前的小过失被永远审判，而现实中这种摩擦本可一笑泯恩仇。
这更让人感到“所有对话都被永久存档”有多疯狂。偶尔当个小混蛋是人性。如果这些互动发生在现实生活中，也许 Harthur 会对 Klabnik 说“你真是个混蛋”，对方道歉，大家拥抱和解喝杯啤酒，事情就结束了。相反，十年后突然有一群陌生网友把当年的行为拉出来审判。太残酷了！
dilap查看英文原文
This just drives home how crazy it is to have every piece of conversation archived forever. Being a little bit of an asshole sometimes is human. If these interactions were ocurring in real life, maybe Harthur would've said, "Hey, you're being an asshole" to Klabnick et al., they would've apologized, everyone could've hugged it out and had a beer, and that would've been the end of it. Instead, a decade later suddenly random people on the internet are putting the behavior on trial. Pretty brutal!
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