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我们不需要工作那么久（2015）
We Don’t Need to Work So Much (2015)
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这篇文章讨论美国人为何工作时间长、生产率提升却未转化为更少工时，并反思“我们不需要工作那么多”背后的工作意义、休闲与分配问题。文章结合职场现实，质疑长时间工作是否真有必要。
为什么经久不衰：工作时间、工作意义与工作生活平衡的争论至今仍在持续，这篇短文提供了跨越多年的经典视角。
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美国承包方以高强度工作换提前退休，北欧更重视当下与工作生活平衡。
作为在欧洲工作、与许多美国科技承包方合作的欧洲人，我一直佩服他们的工作伦理：每周6天、每天10到12小时。但和他们聊天发现，他们的重心在退休——最好50多岁就退，因为那时才开始“生活”。这与我们斯堪的纳维亚人形成对比：我们喜欢活在当下，不做空中楼阁的梦。这也是我们像守护国宝一样守护劳动权利和工作生活平衡的原因。
TrackerFF查看英文原文
As an European working with lots of American contractors in the tech field, I'm always impressed by their work ethics. The put in 10-12 hours, 6 days a week. But from talking with them, it seems like their focus is on retirement - hopefully in their 50's. That's their grand plan, because that's when they'll start "living". It's a bit of a contrast to us Scandinavians - as we really like to live in the present. No pie in the sky dreams. Which is also why we guard our working rights and work-life balance like a national treasure.
少工作的诉求背后是对有意义工作的渴望，而非单纯想要更多闲暇。
“我们应该少工作”这个说法，在我看来更多指向现代工作的无意义，而不是我们渴望更多闲暇。换句话说：人们想要更有意义的工作，而不仅仅是有更少无意义的工作。也许这是以美国为中心的观念，工作与目的和身份紧密相连；但我看不出怎么能轻易忽视一项占据你三分之一时间的事情。文章里的亚马逊包装厂例子，也许是最无意义、最卡夫卡式的工作：包装大多是可有可无的消费品的箱子。仅就个人而言，我希望工作多到几乎没有闲暇，但只是因为我的工作有成就感且根本重要。我不想有更多闲暇去消费内容，因为我不认为消费活动最终能带来满足。
keiferski查看英文原文
The whole ‘we should work less’ meme strikes me as more about the meaninglessness of modern work, moreso than our desire to have more leisure time. In other words: people want more meaningful work, not merely to have less meaningless work. Maybe this is an American-centric idea, wherein your work is strongly tied to your purpose and identity, but I don’t see how you can simply brush away an activity that takes up 1/3 of your time. The example in the article (Amazon packing plants) is perhaps the most pointless Kafkasque job one can imagine: packing boxes of mostly unnecessary consumeristic products. Speaking only personally, but I want to be working so much that I have little leisure time, but only because the work I’m doing is fulfilling and fundamentally important. I have no desire to have more leisure time to consume content (which is what most people do: look up the hours spent watching TV/video per person, or social media usage), as I don’t think consumption activities are ultimately fulfilling.
丹麦公共部门的福利和工时让实际收入差距不大，换来更多家庭与个人时间。
我选择在丹麦公共部门工作是因为意识形态倾向。那是几十年前；今天我会选这里，是因为比起私营部门的老大学朋友，我工时少得多。他们挣得更多，但除一个创办并经营成功公司的人外，也没多那么多。算上他们额外工时、我多一周带薪假、更好的陪产假、孩子生病可多两天带薪假、每个7岁以下孩子每年多两天假和养老金，我可能只少挣10%到20%，却多得多不工作的时间。女儿出生后我甚至一度把工时降到每周30小时。那很贵，但很多私营部门工作不提供。我无法想象你们美国人工作那么多怎么过生活，更别说怎么养家、维持关系、留时间给自己。
moksly查看英文原文
I chose to work in the public sector of Denmark because I’m ideologically inclined that way. That was decades ago, today I would chose to work here because of how much less hours I work compared to my old university friends in the private sector. They earn more money than me, but except for one of them who founded and now manages a successful company, it’s not that much more money. In fact when you calculate in all the extra hours they work, my extra weak of paid vacation, my better paternityleave, the two extra paid child’s sick leave days I get (per time your child is sick), the two yearly extra vacation days (per child under the age of 7) and my pension, I probably only earn around 10-20% less than them, and I get to spend so much more time not working. Hell I even bumped my hours to 30 a week for a while when my daughter was born. That was expensive, but it’s something you aren’t offered in a lot of private sector jobs. I can’t begin to imagine how you guys in America get through life working so much. Let alone how on Earth you raise a family, maintain a relationship and have time for yourselves while you do it.
财富分配不均阻碍了减少工时的实现。
我认为，如果不是社会最顶层攫取了新财富中如此巨大的比例，那（更少工作）可能已经实现。如果分配更均匀，我完全能想象更多中产阶级认定自己已有“好”生活，没有理由再多工作20小时。
Havoc查看英文原文
I think that may have come to pass if it hadn't been to the very top part of society capturing such a gigantic % of the new wealth generated. With more even distribution I could totally see more middle class deciding they've got a "good" life and no reason to work another 20 hours extra.
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