互联网与文化justinjackson.ca
我是一名该死的网站管理员(2016)
I'm a fucking webmaster (2016)
2016 — 2022,它一次次回到首页
黑点是上首页(≥ 50 分)的那次投稿,空心点是没冲上去的投稿,点越大分数越高。
导读
这是 Justin Jackson 在 2016 年写下的一篇短文式宣言:他回忆早年亲手写 HTML、用 FTP 传到自己的服务器、自封「webmaster」的快乐,并呼吁大家继续自己动手做网站、保留对网络的控制权。页面本身极其朴素,几乎只有文字,正好是文中主张的示范。
为什么经久不衰:它用一个极简页面把「发布本该属于每个人」这件事讲得直白有力,在工具链越来越臃肿的今天读来反而更锋利。
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教孩子几行 HTML 就能立刻带来成就感,这种低门槛的即时满足如今可能已经消失。
2000 年代初我在华盛顿给一群孩子教「电脑」课。一开始讲计算机原理——输入输出、CPU、存储,他们眼神立刻发直。我很快放弃,直接带他们做网页。教了几个 HTML 标签,他们立刻成了「webmaster」,兴奋得不行:能让文字闪烁、把字体全变粉,全靠在一个记事本里挪动几行文本。最重要的是他们在创造自认为只有「科学家」才能做的东西,那种自信的提升让我很喜欢。我早就不教书了,不知道现在还有没有工具能让一个毫无技术经验的 13 岁孩子立刻从电脑上获得这种简单的成就感。也许那个时代已经过去了。
SkipperCat查看英文原文
Back in the early 2000's, I taught "computers" to a bunch of kids in DC. I first started off with how a computer work; IO, CPU, storage and their eyes glazed over. I quickly ditched that topic and went right to building a web page. Taught them a few HTML tags and they instantly became "webmasters". They were so thrilled. They could create blinking text, could make all the fonts pink. All just by moving around some simple text in NotePad. Most importantly, they were creating things that they thought were only able to be created by "scientists". I loved how it boosted their own self worth. I've stopped teaching a long time ago. Not sure if there's still tools out there where a 13 year old kid with no technical experience can immediately get gratification with something so simple on a computer. Maybe it is a time gone by.
Web 之所以被广泛接受,是因为它建立在大家熟悉的概念上——文件、网络、浏览器,本质至今未变。
1996 年的我深有同感。我常想 90 年代中期的网络和今天的前沿技术(尤其是区块链和加密货币)的对比,其中一点是:当年的 web 技术——乃至它们的后代——简单到大多数懂点技术的人都能理解,这带来了安心与信任。对 90 年代初用过台式机和办公软件的人来说,网站不过是计算机上的文件,通过网络提供出来,而这我们早就熟悉。所以我父亲当年一看就懂,还支持我给自家生意做网站。如今我更多是写代码和数据库打交道,再用复杂的 JavaScript 把结果呈现出来,但本质上还是一样:服务器上的文件,经由网络,把有用的信息送到浏览器。那种美好的简单仍然在。
tomhoward查看英文原文
My 1996 self feels very seen. I think a lot about the way the web was back in the mid 90s, compared to the bleeding-edge technologies of today, particularly blockchain and cryptocurrency. And one major aspect I keep coming back to is that web technologies in the 90s, and even their descendent technologies now, are simple enough for most technology-literate people to understand, and that carried with it a lot of comfort and trust. For anyone who had been using desktop computers and office software in the early 90s, which was basically everyone who was a student or an office worker, the web was just files on a computer, served over a network, which we already had plenty of experience using. And I think that's why my father, who was only a little older than I am now when I first showed him the web, grasped it straight away and was supportive of me building a website for his business. These days I'm not spending much time writing HTML files in a text editor and uploading them via FTP; rather I'm writing programmatic code that talks to a database (A database! Just like MS Access or FileMaker Pro), does some processing, and displays the result on the screen with some elaborate JavaScript to make it look and function how I want (I’m happily a heavy user of React for building rich web apps), but it's still fundamentally the same concepts. Files on servers, accessed over a network and delivering useful information to my browser or app. The beautiful simplicity is still there, and it still doesn't feel like a big leap from the kind of computing we were doing 1993. The world of blockchains and cryptocurrencies and "web3" feels vastly more opaque and esoteric by comparison and therefore untrustworthy to many of us, which I think is a significant answer to the question that was asked here in the past couple of days: "Why is Hacker News so anti-crypto?" [1]. I can't quite accept that it's just that I'm "old"; firstly because first heard about Bitcoin soon after it appeared and was excited by its potential, but also because I remember how people older than me reacted when the web arrived, and there was much more rapid acceptance and embrace than there I currently see for cryptocurrency, outside of those who are just chasing quick riches. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31302494
现代前端工具链对简单需求而言严重过度,复杂化成了默认选项。
我怀念那些日子。我可以花几个小时抱怨当下网络的压抑状态,也能想象一个新手面对如今这套过度复杂的场景、却不知道事情本可以更简单。我记得有同事把项目从 grunt 迁到 webpack,而那只是一个 404 页面。「你得编译你的资源」,可其实一句 cat *.css > site.css 就够了,甚至直接写进 HTML 完事。有人为了判断一个数是奇数还是偶数都要装个 JS 库——我没夸张。
trevormcneal查看英文原文
I miss those times. I could spend hours complaining about the depressive current state of the web, I imagine being a newcomer to such world and have to handle the over complexity of the current scenario without knowing that things could be simpler. I remember seeing a team member migrating a project from grunt to webpack, the project was just a 404 page. "You need to compile your assets" they say, just a cat *.css > site.css would do it. Or even better, just do it inside the HTML and that is it. People who need a JS library to check if a number is odd or even went way too far, I'm not exaggerating - https://www.npmjs.com/package/is-odd
反方观点:门槛不是主要障碍,多数人本就不想参与创造,只想消费。
我理解作者想赋权给人的热情,但技术本身(更简单的 HTML、开放标准而非围墙花园)其实不是真正的问题,尽管看起来像。真正的问题是主动参与者与被动旁观者之间的不对称:大多数人根本不想做 HTML 网页。而往 Facebook、Twitter 上传一张猫或一盘菜的照片,或给侄女回一句「新裙子真好看」,确实有相当一部分人会跨过那道复杂度门槛——但仍然不是多数。尽管不喜欢,我已接受一个事实:人天生更愿意在 Facebook 上发帖,而不是维护自己服务器上的 HTML 页面。大多数人并不想当 webmaster。
jasode查看英文原文
>And when you publish your own HTML to a server that you control; that's fucking powerful. Autonomy and independence are central to the web. We can't forget that. >The world still needs some fucking webmasters. We might not all be making websites professionally anymore. But we should keep making websites. The passion, the freedom, the joy: we need to pass this on. I appreciate the enthusiasm for wanting to empower people but the technology (e.g. simpler format of HTML, or open standards instead of walled gardens, etc) is not really the issue even though it looks that way. I've commented on this illusion before[1]. The underlying issue is the asymmetry between active participants and passive spectators. Most people don't care to make an HTML web page. On the other hand... Uploading a photo of a cat or plate of food to facebook or twitter? Or type a short response comment to a niece saying "love your new dress!"? Yes, a good percentage of people will conquer the threshold of complexity to do that... but it's still not the majority of users. Even though I don't like it, I've come to terms with the fact that the human race is "wired" to make easy posts on Facebook rather than maintain an HTML web page on a server they control. Most people don't want to be "webmasters". [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10010540
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