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研究称：高智商与精神和身体疾病相关
Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests
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《科学美国人》报道了一项研究，称高智商与较高的心理和身体疾病风险有关。文中也提到，这类研究的样本选取存在争议：研究招募的“高智商”人群来自门萨（Mensa）会员。该文多年来反复引发讨论，重点往往不在结论本身，而在于智商、成就与幸福之间的真实关系。
为什么经久不衰：智商与成功、心理健康的关系是经久不衰的话题，而评论区对样本选择偏差的质疑比研究结论本身更有价值，今天读来依然值得。
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质疑研究方法：样本来自门萨会员，存在自我选择偏差，研究却未说明。
唉，这项研究是从门萨会员中挑选出“高智商”组的。研究本身（链接）完全没有提到这种选择偏差，虽然文章里提到了。
invalidOrTaken查看英文原文
Ugh, this study selected its "superior iq" group by surveying Mensa members. Study (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289616303324#!) makes no mention of this selection bias, though even the article does.
高智商者的亲身经历：智商分数没能带来好生活，焦虑抑郁和现实处境更关键，自律与人脉更重要。
我小时候做过一整套智商测试，分数很高（139），但那时我才七岁。现在30岁，有个硕士学位（基本没什么用），做临时工每小时挣25美元（已经是我人生最高收入）。我觉得我的生活和前景都暗淡，因为我始终走不出每天都影响我的焦虑和抑郁。找了14个月的工作，一个offer都没拿到。三年没有女朋友，懒得要命，连照镜子都受不了。总之我想说的是：智商是扯淡，自律、社交能力和人脉才是无价的。但我们从小被灌输“想做什么都能做到”，我觉得正是这种期待害了我们（至少害了那些没成为舒舒服服软件工程师的人）。
TurkishPoptart查看英文原文
I went through a battery of IQ tests as a kid and got a _high_ score (139). But that was when I was seven years old. I'm 30 now, have a master's degree (which was pretty pointless) and make 25 bucks an hour as a temp (more money than I've ever made in my life). I think my life and prospects have dimmed because I haven't been able to get over the anxiety and the depression that impact me every day. Interviewed for jobs for 14 months and didn't get a single offer. Haven't had a girlfriend in 3 years, lazy as shit, can't even look at myself in the mirror. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is IQ is bullshit, and discipline, social skills, and connections are priceless. But we grew up in the world told we could do anything we wanted! I think it's that sort of expectation that is screwing with us (at least those of us that didn't become comfy SWEs).
门萨会员不能代表聪明人整体，可能是“渴望被认可聪明”这一特质与心理问题相关。
我这辈子遇到过很多极其聪明的人，很少有人提到门萨。提到的人往往渴望被认可为聪明或与众不同。用门萨会员身份去推断一般聪明人，统计上恐怕并不适用。也可能是那些渴望被认定聪明的人才有这些心理问题，而其他聪明人没有。
oppositelock查看英文原文
I've met plenty of incredibly intelligent people in my life, and very few mentioned Mensa. Those who did had a yearning for being recognized as smart or exceptional. Perhaps using Mensa membership to draw inferences about smart people in general isn't statistically applicable. It could be that people who want to be recognized as smart have those mental issues, which other smart people don't.
提出另一种解释：所谓“症状”可能只是对工作的极度投入，当事人主观上其实很快乐。
这让我想起 Philip Guo 的《The Ph.D. Grind》以及我自己读博时的经历：那几个月我变成了一个反社交的怪人，屏蔽一切干扰、深陷工作，满脑子都是代码，除了每周和导师的进度会几乎说不出完整英语。虽然我看起来像个不修边幅的邋遢鬼，情绪上却很幸福。我每天编程调试十多个小时，但心态很放松，因为技术能力刚好匹配面前的挑战。那种快乐与我的行为和外表之间存在巨大落差：我胖了50多磅、不讲卫生、几乎只吃花生酱、昼夜颠倒、基本不出公寓，导师明确担心我的心理健康，但回头看，我当时真的很开心。我在想，高智商与精神疾病的关联，有多少只是源于对所做之事的痴迷？
sndean查看英文原文
Some of this reminds me of The Ph.D. Grind by Philip Guo [0] and my own experience when I was getting my PhD: "For those few months, I morphed into an antisocial grump who shunned all distraction and became deeply immersed in my craft. All I thought about was computer code; I could barely speak in coherent English sentences except during my weekly progress meetings with Margo. Even though I appeared and acted subhuman (i.e., an unshaven disheveled mess), my emotional state was blissful. I was programming and debugging for over ten hours per day, but my mind was quite relaxed since my technical skills were well-calibrated for the challenges I faced." > my emotional state was blissful There was a huge disconnect between how happy I was and how I behaved and appeared. I gained 50+ pounds, lost normal hygiene, essentially only ate peanut butter, became nocturnal, and more or less didn't leave my apartment. My advisor was pretty explicit in their concern about my mental health, but, looking back, I was really happy. I wonder how much of this mental illness : high IQ association is simply being obsessed with what you're working on? [0] http://pgbovine.net/PhD-memoir/pguo-PhD-grind_2012-07-16.pdf
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