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你们为什么托管冒犯性内容?
Why do you host offensive content?
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这是主机服务商 NearlyFreeSpeech.NET 的常见问题条目:为什么你们会托管令人反感的内容?回答的立场是,托管商不该充当世界的编辑,决定别人能看什么不该由他们(也不该由批评者)来定;他们以低价、按用量计费的方式提供托管,并要求用户以真实身份为内容负责,从而让言论可被追责。
为什么经久不衰:它把"平台还是出版者"这个今天争论更激烈的问题讲得干净利落,加上一家小公司多年如一日地实践这套原则,所以反复被翻出来。
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"冒犯"没有客观阈值,按多数人标准划线会连带禁掉宗教经典,因此不该由托管商裁决。
反问得诚实但带引导性:对谁而言是冒犯?对 90% 的人冒犯,是不是就要屏蔽撒旦教会的涂色书?对 80% 的人冒犯,是不是《摩门经》?对 60% 呢,《古兰经》?我觉得他们回答里这一段回应得很好:"最简单的理由当然是,不该由我们决定世界其余部分该看什么。坏消息是,也不该由你决定。更坏的消息是,即使我们意见一致,这一点依然成立——而我们大多数时候大概是一致的。"
falcolas查看英文原文
Honest, but leading, question in return: Offensive to whom? 90% of the population? Wouldn't that block out the Church of Satan's distributed materials (that is, coloring books)? To 80% of the population? Wouldn't that be the Book of Mormon? To 60%? The Quran? I think this part of their answer is a great response: "Of course, the simplest reason is that it's not up to us to decide what the rest of the world should or shouldn't see. Bad news, it's not up to you either. Worse news, it's still true even when we agree. Which is probably most of the time."
坏观点更需要公开在场才能被反驳,但造成实际伤害的内容仍可例外。
如果某样东西之所以冒犯是因为它源于"坏思想",那它恰恰必须被放进"观点的公开市场",才能被曝光和驳倒。若不发布,人们就不知道怎么在它再次冒头时反驳它——而它一定会再冒头。对坏思想的言论自由和对好思想的一样重要。别被冒犯,那是你自己的选择。附注:这并不意味着一切冒犯性内容都必须被发布,有些东西因可能造成伤害本就该禁止发布。
waynecochran查看英文原文
If it is offensive because it stems from "bad ideas" then it is imperative that it is posted in the "public market of ideas" so it can be exposed and refuted. If it is not posted then folks will not know how to refute it when it crops up again -- and it will. Free Speech for bad ideas is as important as free speech for good ideas. Don't be offended. That's your choice. P.S. This doesn't mean that everything offensive must be posted -- there is stuff that should be illegal to post because of the harm it can cause. Edit: downvote within 15 seconds of posting ... you are speedy in your thoughtlessness.
纯托管商与带推荐算法的平台责任不同,后者要为自己的分发行为负责。
NearlyFreeSpeech 和 YouTube 之间的区别常在喧嚣中被忽略:NFS 只是托管服务商,而 YouTube 还多了一套主动的编辑与推荐系统,会去推广"冒犯性"内容。正如 NFS 有理由托管内容并要求上传者以真实身份背书、从而可被评判,人们同样有理由去评判 YouTube 管理层所"上传"的内容(推荐侧栏以及附着在视频上的评论区)。
gowld查看英文原文
The difference between something like NearlyFreeSpeech and something like YouTube, which is often lost in the noise, is that NearlyFreeSpeech is a hosting provider, while YouTube has, in addition, also an active editorial system and recommendation engine that promotes "offensive" content. Just as NFS is justified in hosting content and requiring uploaders to back it up with their real identity, so that those uploaders can be judged, people are justified in judging YouTube management for the content that YouTube management uploads (the Watch Next side-bar, and the comment streams it attaches to videos)
用户口碑:便宜好用的托管商,因坚守隐私与言论自由立场而受支持。
NearlyFreeSpeech.net 是做简单网站和应用的很棒的 DNS 与托管方案。2012 年 GoDaddy 卷入 SOPA 风波时,他们着实火了一把。我以前用过,价格合理、服务很好,我也支持他们在隐私和言论自由上的一贯理念。
wheelerwj查看英文原文
Nearlyfreespeech.net is a great dns and hosting solution for simple sites and applications. They got a nice bump back in when godaddy got mixed up in SOPA back in 2012. I've used them before and they offer a great service for a good price and I support their general philosophy in regards to privacy and free speech.
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