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我正认真考虑回归台式机
I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers
2020 — 2022，它一次次回到首页
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作者抱怨现代笔记本和整机越来越封闭锁定（UEFI、不可升级、厂商限制），认真考虑回归台式机，以重新获得对通用计算设备的控制权。文章引发了对通用计算是否正在消亡的讨论。
为什么经久不衰：它触及了用户对设备所有权、可维修性和开放计算平台的长期焦虑，这些问题在封闭生态扩张的今天依然尖锐。
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列举了台式机在体验、可定制性和隐私上的全面优势。
我偏好台式机的原因：大显示器、全尺寸键盘、独立鼠标、大硬盘、机箱下桌面更整洁、还有光驱、USB 口够用、可换零件不用整机重买、便宜、可以用 Newegg 的零件自己组装（成品高性能机都是带喷气式飞机噪音显卡的游戏机）、全金属机箱（曾经有台机器起火）。补充：台式机没有麦克风和摄像头，无法被远程偷偷开启。
WalterBright查看英文原文
I prefer a desktop because: 1. I like big, big monitors. 2. I prefer a full size keyboard. 3. I prefer a separate mouse. 4. I prefer big freaking disk drives installed. 5. I put the desktop under my desk, and with a wireless keyboard and wireless mouse, there is much less of a snarl on my desk. 6. The desktop has an optical drive I still use. 7. The desktop has lots of USB ports and they're all in use. 8. I can replace/alter parts of the machine without buying a new one. 9. Desktops are cheap. 10. I can build what I want with parts from newegg. Premade powerful computers are always "gaming machines" and I don't want a gaming machine that comes with a graphics adapter that sounds like a 747 taking off. 11. I want an all-metal case because a machine caught fire once. Edit: 12. My desktop doesn't have a microphone or camera, so they cannot be surreptitiously turned on remotely.
开放硬件价格高是市场现实，作者不愿多付钱说明其信念并不坚定。
作者说 System76、Purism 等'开放'笔记本'定价过高'，这说明作者本人就是问题的一部分。公司总在追求利润，锁定设备可以降价同时提高客户终身价值。System76 并非溢价，而是通用计算机本该有的竞争性定价。我同意作者的观点，但他信念的强度大概也就值 400 美元。
curiousllama查看英文原文
> I know that new "open" laptops are still available, but most of them--the System76's, the Purisms, etc.--are overpriced in my opinion This quote suggest to me the author is an integral part of the problem. Companies are ALWAYS trying to increase their profitability. If they can lock down the computer, they can drop the price while _increasing_ CLTV. That’s why System76 is more expensive. They’re NOT overpriced. They’re priced as “general purpose computers” must be to be competitive. I agree with this author, but this suggests that the strength of his conviction is maybe $400.
通用计算的黄金时代已经结束，大众早已接受成为'产品'。
文章担心'大众的通用计算正在终结而少有人意识到'——纠正：已经终结了。绝大多数人已转向手机和平板，多数人是消费者而非创作者，还在自己装机的基本是发烧友。作者说 80 年代是黄金时代，我不同意：网络计算很棒，但也被货币化了，消费者成了被卖的产品。黄金时代本可以到来，但从未真正存在。
geocrasher查看英文原文
From the article: "What worries me as much as the end of general-purpose computing for the masses is that so few seem to understand that it is ending." Correction: Has Ended. The vast majority of people using computers has shifted to phones and tablets. I have a friend who's a millenial who barely knows how to use his desktop PC (It's a Mac) but is fluent on his iPad/iPhone. Most people are not content creators, they are consumers. The people who are still building their own PC's are mostly enthusiasts. There's no profit in building custom PC's anymore, so local computer shops aren't selling them (And if they are, it's at a hefty premium). The author of the article calls the 1980's the "Golden era" of personal computing. I disagree. Networked computing is an amazing thing, but it's also been monetized and now the consumers are the product being sold. And happily so. The outliers are those who buy pre-2012 computers so they can skip UEFI and are happy to live under their rocks to do it. That's okay with me. Personally I need a faster computer than that, so I'm stuck with UEFI and because W10 is the right OS for my needs, I'm stuck with it phoning home. This doesn't mean the golden age was in the 80's or 90's. It means that by the time we figured out how to make computing awesome, we also figured out how to make computing itself profitable, not just the computers. The golden age the could have been, never was.
UEFI 并非锁定工具，用户可以自行管理密钥和关闭安全启动。
与其痛骂 UEFI，不如花点时间了解 efibootmgr 之类的工具，以及如何安装自己的密钥，从而掌控自己的机器。UEFI 略显过度设计，但没问题：大多数 UEFI 固件允许安装自己的密钥，几乎所有机器都能关闭安全启动，Linux 在 UEFI 上运行良好。我担心笔记本和手机的很多趋势，但还不担心 UEFI。
monoideism查看英文原文
Instead of blasting UEFI, take a minute to learn about tools like `efibootmgr`, and how to install your own keys, so that you control your own machine. UEFI is a bit overengineered, but it's OK. - Most computers' UEFI firmware, desktop or laptop, allows you to install your own keys. - And every computer I've ever heard of with UEFI will allow you to disable secure boot. - Linux runs just fine on UEFI. I'm worried about a lot of the trends in laptops and smartphones, but I'm not yet worried about UEFI.
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